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[PLUG] IBM acquires Redhat
m***@robinson-west.com
2018-10-29 15:56:22 UTC
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Apparently Redhat Software is now part of IBM. What does this mean for the Linux community?

-- Michael C. Robinson
Larry Brigman
2018-10-29 16:05:19 UTC
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Not yet. Still needs government approval.
Post by m***@robinson-west.com
Apparently Redhat Software is now part of IBM. What does this mean for the Linux community?
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Dick Steffens
2018-10-29 16:13:20 UTC
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Post by m***@robinson-west.com
Apparently Redhat Software is now part of IBM. What does this mean for the Linux community?
Probably not much. IBM has long been involved in Linux.

And while it's a press release, and so taken with the appropriate grain
of salt, see:

https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ibm-acquire-red-hat-completely-changing-cloud-landscape-and-becoming-world%E2%80%99s-1-hybrid-cloud-provider
--
Regards,

Dick Steffens
Rich Shepard
2018-10-29 16:24:36 UTC
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Post by Dick Steffens
Probably not much. IBM has long been involved in Linux.
Such as Wietse Venema's writing and continued upgrading/maintaining of
postfix while working at IBM.

Rich
Richard England
2018-10-29 17:49:48 UTC
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IBM will probably continue their Linux efforts. The better question is
what will they do with Fedora and the desktop. IBM may have little
interest in the desktop and their interest in non-revenue initiatives
like Fedora and CentOS are questionable, as well.

[Have you used their documentation and/or web sites?  I have. It does
not bode well if those are an indication.]

~~R
Post by m***@robinson-west.com
Apparently Redhat Software is now part of IBM. What does this mean for the Linux community?
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Rich Shepard
2018-10-29 18:19:22 UTC
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Post by Richard England
IBM will probably continue their Linux efforts. The better question is
what will they do with Fedora and the desktop. IBM may have little
interest in the desktop and their interest in non-revenue initiatives like
Fedora and CentOS are questionable, as well.
Perhaps Fedora and CentOS will be continued by a volunteer community if
corporate drops support. Like chromium and chrome.

Rich
John Jason Jordan
2018-10-29 18:32:08 UTC
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:49:48 -0700
Post by Richard England
IBM will probably continue their Linux efforts. The better question is
what will they do with Fedora and the desktop. IBM may have little
interest in the desktop and their interest in non-revenue initiatives
like Fedora and CentOS are questionable, as well.
My take is that Redhat started Fedora as a test bed. I used it for a
couple of years before giving up on it. Yes, it's free, and in some ways
a competitor to the bigger desktop providers like Mint and Ubuntu, but
I couldn't put up with the constant, almost mandatory updates.
Nevertheless, while I bitched about having to update, I had to
recognize that I knew the purpose of Fedora before I started using it -
I got a free desktop in exchange for being Redhat's guinea pig. So, as
long as Redhat needs a place to test new ideas, Fedora will probably
continue.
Ben Koenig
2018-10-29 22:16:08 UTC
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FYI CentOS does not need the blessing of IBM any more than it already needs
the blessing of Red Hat. Here's some reading material you might find
interesting.
https://www.centos.org/about/
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/

Change of management at Red Hat will likely have no serious impact on the
development of Fedora and CentOS.
Post by John Jason Jordan
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:49:48 -0700
Post by Richard England
IBM will probably continue their Linux efforts. The better question is
what will they do with Fedora and the desktop. IBM may have little
interest in the desktop and their interest in non-revenue initiatives
like Fedora and CentOS are questionable, as well.
My take is that Redhat started Fedora as a test bed. I used it for a
couple of years before giving up on it. Yes, it's free, and in some ways
a competitor to the bigger desktop providers like Mint and Ubuntu, but
I couldn't put up with the constant, almost mandatory updates.
Nevertheless, while I bitched about having to update, I had to
recognize that I knew the purpose of Fedora before I started using it -
I got a free desktop in exchange for being Redhat's guinea pig. So, as
long as Redhat needs a place to test new ideas, Fedora will probably
continue.
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Larry Brigman
2018-10-29 22:26:18 UTC
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Not 100% sure on that last comment as most of the people running the
infrastructure/Build systems are Redhat Employees.
Post by Ben Koenig
FYI CentOS does not need the blessing of IBM any more than it already needs
the blessing of Red Hat. Here's some reading material you might find
interesting.
https://www.centos.org/about/
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/
Change of management at Red Hat will likely have no serious impact on the
development of Fedora and CentOS.
Post by John Jason Jordan
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:49:48 -0700
Post by Richard England
IBM will probably continue their Linux efforts. The better question is
what will they do with Fedora and the desktop. IBM may have little
interest in the desktop and their interest in non-revenue initiatives
like Fedora and CentOS are questionable, as well.
My take is that Redhat started Fedora as a test bed. I used it for a
couple of years before giving up on it. Yes, it's free, and in some ways
a competitor to the bigger desktop providers like Mint and Ubuntu, but
I couldn't put up with the constant, almost mandatory updates.
Nevertheless, while I bitched about having to update, I had to
recognize that I knew the purpose of Fedora before I started using it -
I got a free desktop in exchange for being Redhat's guinea pig. So, as
long as Redhat needs a place to test new ideas, Fedora will probably
continue.
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Ben Koenig
2018-10-29 23:07:08 UTC
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The point of running a project with independent management is that
individuals can come and go.

Assuming the structure of the project, the organization that defines it
does not collapse, then people can take on tasks should Red Hat employees
stop contributing.

There is a difference between "running the system" and "hosting the
system". I would hope, given that both projects claim to stand on their own
feet that they are relying on Red Hat knowledge, not property.
Post by Larry Brigman
Not 100% sure on that last comment as most of the people running the
infrastructure/Build systems are Redhat Employees.
Post by Ben Koenig
FYI CentOS does not need the blessing of IBM any more than it already
needs
Post by Ben Koenig
the blessing of Red Hat. Here's some reading material you might find
interesting.
https://www.centos.org/about/
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/
Change of management at Red Hat will likely have no serious impact on the
development of Fedora and CentOS.
Post by John Jason Jordan
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:49:48 -0700
Post by Richard England
IBM will probably continue their Linux efforts. The better question is
what will they do with Fedora and the desktop. IBM may have little
interest in the desktop and their interest in non-revenue initiatives
like Fedora and CentOS are questionable, as well.
My take is that Redhat started Fedora as a test bed. I used it for a
couple of years before giving up on it. Yes, it's free, and in some
ways
Post by Ben Koenig
Post by John Jason Jordan
a competitor to the bigger desktop providers like Mint and Ubuntu, but
I couldn't put up with the constant, almost mandatory updates.
Nevertheless, while I bitched about having to update, I had to
recognize that I knew the purpose of Fedora before I started using it -
I got a free desktop in exchange for being Redhat's guinea pig. So, as
long as Redhat needs a place to test new ideas, Fedora will probably
continue.
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Ken Stephens
2018-10-29 23:07:37 UTC
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Check out Cringely's article on IBM and Red Hat.

https://www.cringely.com/
Post by Larry Brigman
Not 100% sure on that last comment as most of the people running the
infrastructure/Build systems are Redhat Employees.
Post by Ben Koenig
FYI CentOS does not need the blessing of IBM any more than it already
needs
Post by Ben Koenig
the blessing of Red Hat. Here's some reading material you might find
interesting.
https://www.centos.org/about/
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/
Change of management at Red Hat will likely have no serious impact on the
development of Fedora and CentOS.
Post by John Jason Jordan
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:49:48 -0700
Post by Richard England
IBM will probably continue their Linux efforts. The better question is
what will they do with Fedora and the desktop. IBM may have little
interest in the desktop and their interest in non-revenue initiatives
like Fedora and CentOS are questionable, as well.
My take is that Redhat started Fedora as a test bed. I used it for a
couple of years before giving up on it. Yes, it's free, and in some
ways
Post by Ben Koenig
Post by John Jason Jordan
a competitor to the bigger desktop providers like Mint and Ubuntu, but
I couldn't put up with the constant, almost mandatory updates.
Nevertheless, while I bitched about having to update, I had to
recognize that I knew the purpose of Fedora before I started using it -
I got a free desktop in exchange for being Redhat's guinea pig. So, as
long as Redhat needs a place to test new ideas, Fedora will probably
continue.
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Rich Shepard
2018-10-29 23:25:55 UTC
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Post by Ken Stephens
Check out Cringely's article on IBM and Red Hat.
https://www.cringely.com/
In the 1980s I was told by IBMers that the company acknowledged it was not
a technology company but a service company. Because IBM put engineers at
mainframe client sites to oversee the big iron they gained new customers.
Their technical staff knew the IMB hardware/software was behind what other
vendors put out, but as Cringely explains, IBM was built on its sales force
and that's what allowed it to survice.

As an aside, I see the push for everyone to put all their data as drizzle
in someone's cloud is a return to the centralized mainframe environment but
much less secure. Feh!

Rich
Ben Koenig
2018-10-29 23:57:07 UTC
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Alas, my attempts to point out reality have once again been thwarted by
hype and lofty opinions.

I'll just put on my Big Blue Hat and continue watching as Linux continues
stomping third-world platforms into the dirt. If the Digital Cinema
industry throws a tantrum over this I'll find out soon enough.
Post by Rich Shepard
Post by Ken Stephens
Check out Cringely's article on IBM and Red Hat.
https://www.cringely.com/
In the 1980s I was told by IBMers that the company acknowledged it was not
a technology company but a service company. Because IBM put engineers at
mainframe client sites to oversee the big iron they gained new customers.
Their technical staff knew the IMB hardware/software was behind what other
vendors put out, but as Cringely explains, IBM was built on its sales force
and that's what allowed it to survice.
As an aside, I see the push for everyone to put all their data as drizzle
in someone's cloud is a return to the centralized mainframe environment but
much less secure. Feh!
Rich
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Bill Morita
2018-10-29 17:56:30 UTC
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Good discussion on subject here:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-the-cloud-wars-forced-ibm-to-buy-red-hat-for-34-billion/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b&bhid=20390513085982283125304917388969
-- Bill Morita
512-569-6387 (Cell)
Post by m***@robinson-west.com
Apparently Redhat Software is now part of IBM. What does this mean for the Linux community?
-- Michael C. Robinson
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