Discussion:
[PLUG] Which distribution for new user?
Rich Shepard
2018-09-12 18:22:09 UTC
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I'm building a system for a user new to linux and know that Slackware is
not the preferred distribution for such a user. The various Debian offspring
seem to be very popular, but it seems to me to be a very large family. Would
xubuntu be an easy to learn, stable, reliable distribution for this type of
user? Or is there something else that you'd recommend?

Rich
Rich Shepard
2018-09-12 19:05:44 UTC
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I don't have a true answer for you, but a consideration should be which
distribution you are willing / able to support when questions come up.
David,

Not an issue. I won't be doing any support. :-) That's why I want
something stable and easy to learn.

Rich
c
2018-09-12 19:39:10 UTC
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Take a look at linux mint. Its pretty friendly to people coming from
windows. People say that the mint distro with cinnamon is closest to a
windows experience. Personally I prefer the mate desktop.

I generally lean towards recommending something based on ubuntu, so ubuntu
mate or linux mint are my first recommendations for somebody new to linux.

Purcell
Post by Rich Shepard
I don't have a true answer for you, but a consideration should be which
distribution you are willing / able to support when questions come up.
David,
Not an issue. I won't be doing any support. :-) That's why I want
something stable and easy to learn.
Rich
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David
2018-09-12 19:46:04 UTC
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Linux MINT. Easy choice IMHO. (Former Ubuntu user plus many others over
the decades.)
Post by c
Take a look at linux mint. Its pretty friendly to people coming from
windows. People say that the mint distro with cinnamon is closest to a
windows experience. Personally I prefer the mate desktop.
I generally lean towards recommending something based on ubuntu, so ubuntu
mate or linux mint are my first recommendations for somebody new to linux.
Purcell
Post by Rich Shepard
I don't have a true answer for you, but a consideration should be which
distribution you are willing / able to support when questions come up.
David,
Not an issue. I won't be doing any support. :-) That's why I want
something stable and easy to learn.
Rich
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Rich Shepard
2018-09-12 20:07:17 UTC
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Linux MINT. Easy choice IMHO. (Former Ubuntu user plus many others over the
decades.)
Well, two votes for Linux MINT makes for an overwhelming response. Thank to
you, too, David.

Regards,

Rich
Dave Lien - W7DAL
2018-09-12 20:51:39 UTC
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My own preference is the MATE version of MINT but they are all good.

-Dave
Post by David
Linux MINT. Easy choice IMHO. (Former Ubuntu user plus many others
over the decades.)
  Well, two votes for Linux MINT makes for an overwhelming response.
Thank to
you, too, David.
Regards,
Rich
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Rich Shepard
2018-09-12 20:06:18 UTC
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Post by c
Take a look at linux mint. Its pretty friendly to people coming from
windows. People say that the mint distro with cinnamon is closest to a
windows experience. Personally I prefer the mate desktop.
I generally lean towards recommending something based on ubuntu, so ubuntu
mate or linux mint are my first recommendations for somebody new to linux.
Purcell,

Thank you. That's good advice.

Rich
Mike C.
2018-09-12 20:56:48 UTC
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? I'm building a system for a user new to linux and know that Slackware
is
not the preferred distribution for such a user. The various Debian
offspring
seem to be very popular, but it seems to me to be a very large family.
Would
xubuntu be an easy to learn, stable, reliable distribution for this type
of
user? Or is there something else that you'd recommend?
I don't have a true answer for you, but a consideration should be which
distribution you are willing / able to support when questions come up.
With Slack being a decedent of the RPM tree, I would suggest considering
Fedora unless you are also fluent in .deb, apt, and dpkg.
dafr
GUI software managers that look and work like other commonly known app
stores are ubiquitous these days and don't require fluency of Debian
package tools.

Free Geek has chosen to install Mint on all the computers they sell. Mint
has a simple, clean ad intuitive desktop experience. Although I prefer it
to XFCE, I think the benefit for both you and the new user is that they
could go to Free Geek for tech support.

Also, for the sake of clarity and accuracy, Slackware isn't a "descendant
of the RPM tree." Slackware was originally based on the Softlanding Linux
System and was the basis Suse and other distros.

RPM is a package manager. Package managers connect to software package
repositories and provide software dependency resolution. Slackware doesn't
have an official package repository like Debian or Red Hat nor does it come
with a built-in package manager such as apt or yum.

In fact, one can use an apt like package manager called slapt-get or a
NetBSD's pkgsrc which supports Slackware.
Rich Shepard
2018-09-12 21:18:24 UTC
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Post by Mike C.
In fact, one can use an apt like package manager called slapt-get or a
NetBSD's pkgsrc which supports Slackware.
Mike,

I think that most of us use slackpkg to install and update base packages,
and sbopkg for the abundant Slackbuilds.org packages that produce the same
*.tgz package formats. Pat's taken the core distribution compressor to xz so
those packages are *.txz.

Debian and Slackware (in alphabetical order) are the two early
distributions (remember ydraghil or however that was spelled?) from way back
when. Both spawned many progeny and great-great-grandchildren by now. If you
want to see the history of linux the latest chart (adding new distributions
and dropping those that died) look here:
<http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg>. It's quite
fascinating. Perhaps Free Geek would print this on a wall-size chart and put
it up in their meeting room.

Rich
John Jason Jordan
2018-09-12 22:35:15 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
Post by Rich Shepard
<http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg>.
I've seen that before, but I don't remember where. Just now I tried to
download it to see if I could print a copy. I have a color laser that
will print 12x18 inches - probably not big enough, but I thought I'd
try it to see how it looks. However, the site offers no obvious way to
download it.
Rich Shepard
2018-09-12 22:49:01 UTC
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Post by John Jason Jordan
I've seen that before, but I don't remember where. Just now I tried to
download it to see if I could print a copy. I have a color laser that will
print 12x18 inches - probably not big enough, but I thought I'd try it to
see how it looks. However, the site offers no obvious way to download it.
John,

Less than obvious way:

wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg

Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to work;
inkscape might.

Rich
John Jason Jordan
2018-09-13 00:00:49 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
Post by Rich Shepard
wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg
Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to
work; inkscape might.
Wget worked, and it views OK in Inkscape, although my default GUI
viewer wouldn't open it.

The problem is that it is only 2220x10112 pixels. And in Inkscape I can
select objects but they appear to be bitmaps, so scaling will be a
problem.

In any event, looking at it satisfied me that my 12x18 printer is not
nearly big enough. We need one of those big printers that drafting
people use. And first we need an image of much higher resolution.
Russell Senior
2018-09-13 00:15:14 UTC
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SVG is scalable vector graphics. You can look at it as text. I don't see
bitmaps.
Post by John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
Post by Rich Shepard
wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg
Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to
work; inkscape might.
Wget worked, and it views OK in Inkscape, although my default GUI
viewer wouldn't open it.
The problem is that it is only 2220x10112 pixels. And in Inkscape I can
select objects but they appear to be bitmaps, so scaling will be a
problem.
In any event, looking at it satisfied me that my 12x18 printer is not
nearly big enough. We need one of those big printers that drafting
people use. And first we need an image of much higher resolution.
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Tomas Kuchta
2018-09-13 00:47:09 UTC
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SVG is ordinary Xml vector format description. I generate it as such for my
work. You can edit it in text editor and verify in a browser.

Tomas
Post by Russell Senior
SVG is scalable vector graphics. You can look at it as text. I don't see
bitmaps.
Post by John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
Post by Rich Shepard
wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg
Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to
work; inkscape might.
Wget worked, and it views OK in Inkscape, although my default GUI
viewer wouldn't open it.
The problem is that it is only 2220x10112 pixels. And in Inkscape I can
select objects but they appear to be bitmaps, so scaling will be a
problem.
In any event, looking at it satisfied me that my 12x18 printer is not
nearly big enough. We need one of those big printers that drafting
people use. And first we need an image of much higher resolution.
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Rich Shepard
2018-09-13 01:37:47 UTC
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Post by John Jason Jordan
In any event, looking at it satisfied me that my 12x18 printer is not
nearly big enough. We need one of those big printers that drafting people
use. And first we need an image of much higher resolution.
A roll of butcher paper would probably do. ;-)

It's a _really_ big image, especially when enlarged enough to read.

Rich
Richard England
2018-09-13 16:59:03 UTC
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Post by John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
Post by Rich Shepard
wget http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg
Then there's the issue of viewing it. 'display' doesn't seem to
work; inkscape might.
Wget worked, and it views OK in Inkscape, although my default GUI
viewer wouldn't open it.
The problem is that it is only 2220x10112 pixels. And in Inkscape I can
select objects but they appear to be bitmaps, so scaling will be a
problem.
In any event, looking at it satisfied me that my 12x18 printer is not
nearly big enough. We need one of those big printers that drafting
people use. And first we need an image of much higher resolution.
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Consider taking the file to a FedEx or UPS / Copy center where they
advertise printing posters.

~R

Russell Senior
2018-09-12 23:17:58 UTC
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Right click, Save Page as ...
Post by John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
Post by Rich Shepard
<http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg>.
I've seen that before, but I don't remember where. Just now I tried to
download it to see if I could print a copy. I have a color laser that
will print 12x18 inches - probably not big enough, but I thought I'd
try it to see how it looks. However, the site offers no obvious way to
download it.
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Denis Heidtmann
2018-09-12 23:59:35 UTC
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File menu, save as. At least in Firefox this worked.
Post by John Jason Jordan
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
Post by Rich Shepard
<http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg>.
I've seen that before, but I don't remember where. Just now I tried to
download it to see if I could print a copy. I have a color laser that
will print 12x18 inches - probably not big enough, but I thought I'd
try it to see how it looks. However, the site offers no obvious way to
download it.
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Robert Citek
2018-09-13 01:51:49 UTC
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Hello Rich,

I've seen in the past you've used Chromium OS. I'm not familiar with it on
desktops, although I have used Chromebooks for a few years now. Would that
meet your criteria?

Regards,
- Robert
Post by Rich Shepard
I'm building a system for a user new to linux and know that Slackware is
not the preferred distribution for such a user. The various Debian offspring
seem to be very popular, but it seems to me to be a very large family. Would
xubuntu be an easy to learn, stable, reliable distribution for this type of
user? Or is there something else that you'd recommend?
Rich
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Rich Shepard
2018-09-13 02:01:36 UTC
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I've seen in the past you've used Chromium OS. I'm not familiar with it on
desktops, although I have used Chromebooks for a few years now. Would that
meet your criteria?
Robert,

Chromium is the open source version of Google's Chrom browser. A chrombook
won't work as I want to sell the older, but unused, system that I just got
working. I decided to upgrade to current technology instead and sell the old
system for less than the cost of the individual parts based on the lowest
prices at Amazon, eBay, and Newegg.

Regards,

Rich
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